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"It is not up to the atheist to disprove that God exists. What makes one an atheist, or at minimum an agnostic, is the fact that there are no arguments that prove the existence of God. The burden of proof clearly lies with the theist. Furthermore, to suggest that God exists because the atheist cannot prove his inexistence (sic) is a logical fallacy. This fallacy is known as "the argument from ignorance."
Steve Rose, Montreal."
The foregoing was a letter to the editor I ran across the other day. It got me to wondering just what is up with the new movement of atheism.
Mr. Rose claims it is not up an atheist to disprove that God exists. He takes the coward's way out because he knows he can't. I look out the window every morning and see grass, trees, flowers, children, adults, a shining sun and know that God exists. How else would any of these things be possible?
I've always sided on the sciences to explain how things came into being. I believe in Darwin and his Theory of Evolution. Ever wonder why you can't kill mosquitos using a pesticide? They evolve too quickly for last years poison to harm the new generation. Ever wonder why a flu shot doesn't work? Because last year's vaccine is useless against this year's new strain. The bug evolved quickly enough not to be affected. These are small examples, granted, but evolution on a larger scale requires hundreds of thousands of years to produce the final result.
We can put down the domination of Cro-Magnon over Neanderthals as survival of the fittest, but I believe if it were not for Neanderthals, there would be no Cro-Magnon man. I think some Neanderthals evolved into a higher species and those who didn't adapt simply died off. There was a special on PBS the other night where they used DNA to link Neanderthals to Cro- Magnon and guess what? They found a link.
Be that as it may, I am not a Bible thumping, church goer, but even a thick head like me can only take scientific explanations back so far. I like the new way of looking at the Bible where they say, "In the beginning, with a big bang, God created Heaven and Earth." It serves both the scientific community as well as the religious. Something got the ball rolling and atheists seem to ignore this vital point. Why should a non-atheist have to prove the existence of God? All you have to do is open your eyes and you see the proof all around you.
Mr. Rose speaks of the atheist disproving the existence of God as a logical fallacy. I fail to see where the logic comes into the argument. He calls it "the argument from ignorance". If he applies it to atheists, he is certainly correct. You would have to be ignorant or very close minded to dismiss that which is around us everyday to deny the existence of God.
This is not to say that God is the one and only to worship. Call Him what you want. God, Allah, heck, Hot Dog if you want. The important thing is that you are worshiping something or someone and at the end of your days you will get your just rewards.
My God will not give up on atheists. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that in their dying days, the atheists will turn to God for salvation.
Steve Rose, Montreal."
The foregoing was a letter to the editor I ran across the other day. It got me to wondering just what is up with the new movement of atheism.
Mr. Rose claims it is not up an atheist to disprove that God exists. He takes the coward's way out because he knows he can't. I look out the window every morning and see grass, trees, flowers, children, adults, a shining sun and know that God exists. How else would any of these things be possible?
We can put down the domination of Cro-Magnon over Neanderthals as survival of the fittest, but I believe if it were not for Neanderthals, there would be no Cro-Magnon man. I think some Neanderthals evolved into a higher species and those who didn't adapt simply died off. There was a special on PBS the other night where they used DNA to link Neanderthals to Cro- Magnon and guess what? They found a link.
Mr. Rose speaks of the atheist disproving the existence of God as a logical fallacy. I fail to see where the logic comes into the argument. He calls it "the argument from ignorance". If he applies it to atheists, he is certainly correct. You would have to be ignorant or very close minded to dismiss that which is around us everyday to deny the existence of God.
This is not to say that God is the one and only to worship. Call Him what you want. God, Allah, heck, Hot Dog if you want. The important thing is that you are worshiping something or someone and at the end of your days you will get your just rewards.
My God will not give up on atheists. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that in their dying days, the atheists will turn to God for salvation.
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They don't capitalize in words because the Arabic alphabet DOES NOT HAVE CAPITALS, hence they are not familiar with its concepts so well (especialy given said Muslims probably speak English as a second or third language).
Oh and Muslims have no right to bash you, it is not in a Muslims right to baselessly attack people of other faiths unless there is a clear and present danger to their own way of life, as you no doubt have caused.
Interesting, it appears you people are conservatives first, God believing people second, nice.
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I already read your posts in full, perhaps you should return the favor to me for a change
How about you and your little brigade go and take your collective stupidty off the internet.
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Heres the deal, Athiests have a right to take the cowards way out, they don't believe in god, we don't see god, why should they have to disprove his existance when they don't give two bits? Agnostics have it even easier, they don't care if he exists or not and leave it up to other people to prove it for them.
If all you have to base your christian religion on is a giant glowing orb we call the sun you are not going to be proving to Athiests that god exists.
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I know that is what you said, and what I am saying is that is not enough proof for an athiest to believe god exists.
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there is one think in Rose's reasoning that is truth. You cannot really prove the existence of God.
But you cant prove that he doesn't exist either.
Thus, what's the point of discussing? These are like football discusions: some people think that Ronaldo plays fine, some people don't.
The only thing that i agree is that: is God exists, it changes nothing in your life. You still have to work and pay your taxes, be prudent if you want to avoid problems. Isn't that truth?
Cheers, Uula
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" joyless, taking no comfort in friends, family, fulfilling jobs, hobbies, etc."? I don't think so. That can be said about anyone. Christians, atheists, Pagans, etc. and it holds no water to brand all atheists with that generalization.
You've got to stop being so paranoid, Abe.
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"He takes the coward's way out..."
"He calls it 'the argument from ignorance'. If he applies it to atheists, he is certainly correct."
"And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that in their dying days, the atheists will turn to God for salvation."
"I know a woman who lived to be 95 yrs old and all she had at the end was her faith. I don't know it that gave her any more time, but she had something to hold on to. Something true atheists will never have."
"You said it best, Don. There are no atheists in a foxhole."
All your words, youranter, not mine. The disdain in your commentary practically drips off the screen. The difference between what you believe and what I wrote differs merely by degrees.
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The nice thing about people like you is that you help to bolster people like me. Sure, you'll say I'm "too radical". But you'll continue to practice your own smaller, pettier brand of intolerance at the same time you're condemning my bigger, louder one. Who cares if you're "less radical" than me? Your prejudice is still real. It simply happens that you're content to let people be held down in small, everyday ways instead of in dramatic fashion, as long as you're ensured that the status quo won't change and those whom you view unfavorably are kept in their place. Thus, while you may think I'm too far past where you're willing to go, the fact is that you ARE willing to go at least part of the way with me. You do it your way, and I'll do it mine, but don't make the mistake of thinking that our core views are all that different.
Oh, by the way, this has been bugging me. Cro-magnon man and Neanderthals coexisted for thousands of years. One did not become the other. At this point, while there are several theories on the matter, there is very little to suggest that Neandethals did anything other than fade out of existence. Of course, upon further research this may be proven false, but there is nothing to substantiate that view at the present time. I have tried to find an article making some sort of definitive connection, to no avail. If you know of one, please show it to me as I would be interested. Purely in the interest of smashing the theory to pieces through the power of the inerrant word of the Bible, of course. Obviously, any theory that does not involve two naked lovers in a Garden is pretty unlikely to pan out.
Neanderthal DNA link to modern humans?
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Another, shorter, answer is the possibility that, since time is one of the dimensions formed out of the Big Bang, any attempt to question what happened "before" time began is inherently impossible. Not that we should stop trying!
The best answer, though, is still Genesis 1:1 -- "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Problem solved.
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Good post btw...
Although it;s not really accurate to call atheists amoral. They can be moral. In fact, when there is no ultimate reward for being good, isn't being good better?
I'm not an Aeteist, but i'm not anything. I think the whole lot is too beyond our comprehewnsion atm, and thus I just chill and leave my mind as open as i can.
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As for religious beliefs: I respectfully suggest that one's beliefs are a highly personal thing; they should not be a cause of concern to others, nor should others' beliefs be a cause of concern to one. In other words, one should mind one's own business. Trying to foist one's views on others or recruit others to join one in their religious beliefs is not very polite. Making sweeping generalizations about Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, dustmen, waitresses, hat blockers et.al is also not polite.
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