Zach LarkinsANTI AMERICANISM
From the start, let me say that I've done my share of America bashing. I love watching Leno's 'Jay-Walking' segments and Rick Mercer's 'Talking to Americans' bits. It makes me feel superior somehow, even though I know it is all in jest and every country has citizens who have some degree of ignorance about not only their own country but the rest of the world to boot. But I just got finished watching a PBS special called 'The Anti Americans' and I must say I was appalled.
They spoke with the French, the Poles and the British and by far the French were the worst of the lot. The Poles and Brits, while perhaps not too enamoured with US foreign policy right now, recognized that without the USA, they'd be in a lot worse shape then what they are. They've come to see the hamburger and Coke as signs of prosperity and value the idea that America would invest in their countries. While they may not agree with the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, they certainly do appreciate fast food, American know-how when it comes to building cars, American television and the protection America offers its allies against enemies both foreign and domestic. In other words, they know which side of the bread their butter is on and afford the USA the respect it deserves.
Not so with the French. They are so busy trying to out snob the snobs they have lost sight of the fact that while they were brushing up on their German back in the '40's, the Americans strolled by to save their sorry butts. Their esteemed leader, De Gaulle, ran at the first sign of trouble and set in motion a pattern their armed forces would follow to this day. Drop your rifle and put your hands behind your head. Better a live snob than a dead man with something that might resemble a spine.
They scoff at McDonalds and Coke, saying this is not true cuisine. True, but it isn't meant to be. It does however provide some jobs for these whiners who believe they should only work 35 hours a week or they'll go on strike. They don't seem to mind American dollars that are spent importing their cheese and wines. They don't seem to mind spending money at Euro-Disney so their kids can have a good time. But to say anything positve about America? You'd think they suddenly went mute. The American cuisine is no good, their fashion sucks and their cars are garbage.
I've tasted plenty of fine American cuisine that didn't need cheese on it to disguise its flavour. The fashion is right up there with the best of them, even though a lot of it I wouldn't wear myself. As for the cars, compare a Ford with a Citerion and see which one is a better deal and lasts longer. Yeah, the French did give us things like Bardot who has nothing better to do in her declining years than poke her nose into other people's business instead of retiring with dignity and grace, but that is hardly a forgiving factor. Yes, they did raise our eating standards from hamburger to snails, but think about that for a moment. And they did give us unisex bathrooms. Maybe I'm an old fogey, but I'd find it a bit more than disconcerting to be having a dump with a woman in the same, open room. Some things should just be left private.
This show was an eye opener and it leaves you without a doubt as to why people hate the French more than they'll ever hate the USA. Should these fools ever find themselves in the same position they were in during WW II, I wonder who they'd call on to bail them out again? Any guesses?
They spoke with the French, the Poles and the British and by far the French were the worst of the lot. The Poles and Brits, while perhaps not too enamoured with US foreign policy right now, recognized that without the USA, they'd be in a lot worse shape then what they are. They've come to see the hamburger and Coke as signs of prosperity and value the idea that America would invest in their countries. While they may not agree with the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, they certainly do appreciate fast food, American know-how when it comes to building cars, American television and the protection America offers its allies against enemies both foreign and domestic. In other words, they know which side of the bread their butter is on and afford the USA the respect it deserves.
Not so with the French. They are so busy trying to out snob the snobs they have lost sight of the fact that while they were brushing up on their German back in the '40's, the Americans strolled by to save their sorry butts. Their esteemed leader, De Gaulle, ran at the first sign of trouble and set in motion a pattern their armed forces would follow to this day. Drop your rifle and put your hands behind your head. Better a live snob than a dead man with something that might resemble a spine.
They scoff at McDonalds and Coke, saying this is not true cuisine. True, but it isn't meant to be. It does however provide some jobs for these whiners who believe they should only work 35 hours a week or they'll go on strike. They don't seem to mind American dollars that are spent importing their cheese and wines. They don't seem to mind spending money at Euro-Disney so their kids can have a good time. But to say anything positve about America? You'd think they suddenly went mute. The American cuisine is no good, their fashion sucks and their cars are garbage.
I've tasted plenty of fine American cuisine that didn't need cheese on it to disguise its flavour. The fashion is right up there with the best of them, even though a lot of it I wouldn't wear myself. As for the cars, compare a Ford with a Citerion and see which one is a better deal and lasts longer. Yeah, the French did give us things like Bardot who has nothing better to do in her declining years than poke her nose into other people's business instead of retiring with dignity and grace, but that is hardly a forgiving factor. Yes, they did raise our eating standards from hamburger to snails, but think about that for a moment. And they did give us unisex bathrooms. Maybe I'm an old fogey, but I'd find it a bit more than disconcerting to be having a dump with a woman in the same, open room. Some things should just be left private.
This show was an eye opener and it leaves you without a doubt as to why people hate the French more than they'll ever hate the USA. Should these fools ever find themselves in the same position they were in during WW II, I wonder who they'd call on to bail them out again? Any guesses?
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So if I see one American who is one of 'those' homophobes I'll direct all my hate in said persons specific direction.
Americans owe a lot to the French, most of all winning their little war of independence. You can fight as hard as you want, but in the end what made the Brits quit were the French who joined in.
So when are we going to see average joe Americans understanding of foreign policy and generel geography?
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How do the French repay what the Americans did for them?
Wake up Ahmed.
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Before the Iraq war, France said 'don't do it, you'll regret it', mm, maybe next time they'll take Frances advice eh?
why should I take your documentary as fact then?Hmm? Maybe the documentary maker just nit picked himeslf. Wouldn't be surprised considering how much rich american folks fear France.
People like you have their views dictated by those who have power. You might hate the French, only because France represents free healthcare, and an anti-war stance and those who need war and a broken healthcare system to remain powerful tell you to hate the french, throw around abunch of crappy reasons.
Back in the 80s you would have defended Saddam, now you see him for what he is. Back in the 80s and now I knew what saddam was, but for you, you would go with what those of power wantedyou to think.
Ever wonder why the Dalai lama is supported by the west, especially the US? Not because he's a freedom fighter, or trying to gain justice fo rhis people, it's because he is an enemy of china. He himself is not a good person, in fact he wants to take tibet back to a feudelistic system that involves him being at the top being served by poor peasants.
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Cowardice in the face of an enemy attacker. Sure, I'll support that....NOT!
The French helped the US defeat Britian? Perhaps. Hasn't the US repaid them in full and more by now? Remember WW I and WW II?
The Dahlai Lama is not a freedom fighter? More so than your suicide murderers who don't care who they take out when they blow themselves up.
Grow up and face facts or get out of the game Ahmed.
mind if I put my two cents in? Every country occasionally bashes anothercountry...it's been done since the dawn of time...
But I do wonder sometimes how the French would have felt had the Allied Forces not driven Hitler out of Paris?
If the French hate Americans so much, then why is it that that 79% of their revenue comes from American tourists?
Food for thought....
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And when it comes to cars. Wouldn't touch either an American or a French one!!!
I lived in America for 3 years when I was younger and considered myself to be practically American. In fact I really like Americans as individuals.....it's the government that worries me. But even when I was living in America I had an argument with my social sciences teacher who despite having a Masters degree in social sciences tried to convince me that Australia was a socialist country, not a democracy.
Uh......excuse me??? I don't think so.
Unfortunately it's that kind of thing that creates Anti-Americanism. The rest of the world understands that they need to be able to relate to other countries in this world. America believes that they get to tell everyone how to live. I know thats a gross generalisation of American foreign policy, but that is how it appears to everyone else.
It saddens me a little, because America is more than McDonalds, Coke and Pepsi.
And yes, the US saved France's ass 60 yrs ago. How long do the French have to keep being grateful to them? Dont they have a right to have their own opinion of the US? Just a thought.
A thought-provoking post.
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Thanks for writing in though. I appreciate the comment.
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"And yes, the US saved France's ass 60 yrs ago. How long do the French have to keep being grateful to them? Dont they have a right to have their own opinion of the US? " I never said the French had to be eternally grateful, just show a little respect and do some thinking before you shoot your mouth off. The difference between the British and Polish points of view vs those of the French are astounding and let's face it, the US saved every one of those countries. The French seem to be the only ones who thought it was owed to them.
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Any television show such as this one, is going to cash in on the stereotypes from both ends, so I will take it with a grain of salt.
The right wing in french politics is hardly as sinister as what other right wing western governed nations like the US are used to, hence why some people are finding that the new President is hardly some big radical change.
The French have their head screwed on right..(or should I say..left). They stayed out of the war and are all the better for it. Unfortunately we can't say the same for London and Australia and we only have ourselves (and pretty much our leaders who we 'elected') to blame.
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What do you mean by 'they know where to strike and what they can get away with'
who is they?
What are you trying to imply or prove here?
So Muslims rioted in Paris.
The point is what exactly?
Well for me personally, I have been helped enormously by France. I lived there and found during my stay that all it took was some common courtesy and the ability to converse with them in their native tongue and I never once experienced rude or arrogant people. They welcomed me in with open arms and my experience was largely wonderful and eye opening. I discovered that they have a much better system in place for a lot of things and if things aren't good you can be sure that workers will take to the street and protest. I have been inspired by all of this and found that it is in fact possible to live by much more democratic and free ways.
It's impossible to answer your question. France will never find itself in a situation like that of WW2, quite frankly because the times have changed so dramatically since then and alliances are no longer as straightforward as 'us vs them' 'communist vs capitalist' 'fascist vs liberal' and what not. The world has changed so dramatically with so many groups and factions emerging that if France ever found itself in a situation where it was under attack and needed the help of foreign aid, then I can assure you that it has not yet severed ties with countries in the middle east. Lebanon has strong alliances with France and I'm sure Lebanon will not forget what France has done for them. Iran will surely support France because Iran supports Lebanon. and please let's not underestimate the power of any of these countries.
The French didn't do much? Your knowledge of history is limited. Perhaps give the bravado children books that glorify a nation of war mongerers a rest now and try reading something a little more challenging.
My Grandfather was in WW1 my father WW2 both RAF
Royal Air Force. So don't assume our knowledge of history is limited. The French are cowards. not all I will agree but the majority are.
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As for Muslims rioting in Paris? What was my point? I made it clearly. These idiots were forgieners who tried to show the French their might and right to be allowed to do what they wanted. No one says they can't live in a 21st century civilization along with the rest of the population. What is deemed unacceptable is their desire to drag that civilization back into the 7th century they still live in. They already have a toe-hold in France. The only thing keeping this idea from spreading is the USA. I assume you were in France for an education. Too bad you missed getting it.
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There is severe irony in the statement 'too bad you missed getting an education' given that the opening line of your comment contains a basic spelling error.
You'd worry if you had Lebanon or Iran backing you? Why? Because Fox News tells you to worry about that combination? Given Iran funded Hezbollah, the only group to have ever defeated the Israeli Army; I'd say you'd want to have them on side.
And the best part? They fought fire with fire. There were no suicide murders in that war. There was murder yes, when the Israeli army backed by the US government, slaughtered 1000 innocent civilians and damaged Lebanon's infrastructure thereby setting back its progress some 50 years so that everyone, not just the Muslims but the Christians too, must go without basic needs like electricity and communication.
But your statement is inherently false and you have nothing to back it up with. Iran and Lebanon fund terrorists to all ends of the earth? Really now? From what I am aware, Saudi Arabia, America's puppet in the region, is the one orchestrating all the attacks. You're forgetting why you're not supposed to like Iran. You're supposed to not like them because they are the ones with the weapons not Iraq, woops, we made a mistake, this many millions are now dead but that's okay, we'll get it right the next time, won't we troops! You're also supposed to not like them because of their oppressive, religious fundamentalist regime, one that is only in place because of a US backed coup in the 70s which I need not remind you about, surely.
What Muslims have threatened France? You are generalising and speaking in absolutes. Did a group or organisation make that threat? Did a particular country? Or are you just going by the riots made by young delinquents? Because that's really not enough to warrant a repeat of world war two. Emphasis on the world war part. The riots are not an example of deep seated hatred against the French as a result of their Muslim roots. It was a riot against the extreme poverty and the bad conditions that they are forced to live in. The fact that this demographic in France happen to be from Muslim countries, is only testament to France's geographic location and current social context. The fact that you equate their religion to be an indication of more sinister and evil motives only highlights the extreme bias, racism and ignorance that stems from your country.
'These idiots were forgieners'
These idiots can spell foreigner.
and no, not necessarily. How do you explain the riots in Cronulla then? Born and bred in Australia. Rioting. What could possibly motivate them to do so? Let’s see...maybe they want to show the Australian government who is boss, show their might and then they can subsequently take over the nation, World War 2 style.
''No one says they can't live in a 21st century civilization along with the rest of the population.''
Well I would imagine that poverty and racism can be a hindrance at times. But what would I know?
''What is deemed unacceptable is their desire to drag that civilization back into the 7th century they still live in.''
I'll tell you something that drags our civilization back into the 7th century. Torturing prisoners in guantanamo bay and in many other places that we won’t know about until 50 odd years when the truth comes out, leaving people to die after a severe hurricane storm, because they are both black and poor, supporting some of the most evil dictators in the world and then bombing and killing innocent civilians in order to remove the dictators that are only in power because guess who put them there in the first place? Imposing one's might and force on the entire world in the most brutal way and subsequently plunging the world into a state of complete fear and paranoia. Although to be honest, I don't even think it was this bad in the 7th century! Thanks America for reducing humanity to its lowest.
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I lived in London as well and it's merely out of bad habit to refer to the city. Hardly an indication of anything else. Having relatives serve in past wars does not necessarily make the descendent an expert. So until I hear something a bit more tangible I'll have to continue to assume about your knowledge (or lack thereof) wherever history is concerned.
and I won't even begin to question what it is that Ahmed is, that makes his opinion void of any intellectual merit because I'm too afraid to hear the answer dripping with blatant racism.
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You say the Muslims rioted in France due to the poverty they are FORCED to live in? Okay, and we FORCE our black population to live in poverty. The states had some riots too that can be misconstrued the same way. Difference is, when all was said and done, the blacks pulled up their bootlaces and if they worked and studied hard enough, they got out of the poverty and the slums. They didn't ask the gov't to give them any favours on a silver platter like the Muslims are trying to do.
As for Iran funding Hezbollah, why would I support a nation that supports terrorists? Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and the rest hate Israel because in the middle of a hard scrabble desert, they forged a democracy that actually works for the people. Totalitarian gov't's hate that kind of stuff. It makes them look bad.
You say poverty and racism might be a hindrance in moving people into the 21st century. In what way? Maybe if they got aboard the tour bus they'd work to end both and move forward. For some reason you seem to think it's preferable to live in the 7th century, deny women basic human rights, use extreme measures of punishment against crime, etc., etc., etc. Boy, I've got to shake my head over that!
Contrary to your belief that America has reduced humanity to it's lowest, they have led the way in showing the world how free people can live. Remember the elections in Iran? People there stood in line for hours, some at the risk of their lives, to vote. I guess they wanted a little democracy in their lives after living under repressive regimes for so long. Although you might want to, not everyone, thank God, can be, or even wants to be, you.
Plunging the world into a complete state of fear and paranoia? Hardly. I've never felt safer in my life. And you should too because America will be there to cover your back should you ever ask. Would Iran or Iraq? I doubt it.
I think your best bet is to get together with Ahmed and chat with him. He's more than a bit screwy too.
Oh, you lived in London? How long? I was born and lived for 45 years in England, not London, by the way. I have probably forgotten more history than you will ever learn.
You are nothing but a loud mouthed Aussie bimbo who should know better.
Youranter is right. Maybe you and Ahmed can get together for a chat-fest. You seem to be cut from the same cloth.
Auf Wiedersehen.
jesus buddy, nice to know Americans are so highly thought of here on Orble! I knew there was a small group of people who disliked us, but christ, does everyone think WE like Bush either!?
He's a nutcase! And everyone knows it, including we Americans...
Now I don't claim to speak for all Americans, because everyone is an individual, but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and allow people who have probably never stepped foot on American soil to bash it!
If people stopped for a moment to think about how many countries America has helped to defend and to even rebuild over the years, they'd perhaps reconsider...
We don't claim to be perfect, and perhaps I'm not the "typical" American either...Because I believe in world peace, the environment and freedom...I just don't take it to the extreme...
And I don't judge an entire country by the actions of a few stupid, ignorant people...What ever happend to innocent until proven guilty!?
Feel the love...
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Good question. Why do you support America then?
I’d love for you to explain how Hezbollah are terrorists. And try and refrain from saying ‘because they told me so’.
But you’re going to ask me to explain how America supports terrorists and I am going to pre-emptively strike here and answer before you even have the chance to ask.
The US supported and instated Bolivian president Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada responsible for torturing and massacring the people and setting the country back significantly after a deal was signed allowing the US to receive natural gas resources from Bolivia, thereby plunging the country into extreme poverty. He resigned on 17 October 2003 after being charged with massacre and today lives in the United States. He was never brought to trial.
George W Bush stated in 2004
‘Governments which harbour terrorists are as guilty as they are’
Smack bang on the money there Bush boy. Oh yeah and a big welcome to Sydney with the greatest security lock down this country has ever seen! Why would a leader of the free world need so much protection?
'Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and the rest hate Israel because in the middle of a hard scrabble desert, they forged a democracy that actually works for the people.'
Hard scrabble desert? You seem to be reciting some of the old ye ancient propaganda that even Israel itself stopped using after 1947. Do you even know the region at all? Desert hey? Only for those living in the occupied territories. Israel is situated right where the water reserves and the plentiful resources are. It is no desert for the privileged.
Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and every other intelligent person on this earth hate Israel because of its ongoing military occupation of the Palestinians – the longest running occupation ever.
Forged a democracy that works for which people?
The people with no rights? The people with no dignity? The people with no land?
If America has shown me how free people can live, then incarcerate me now because that is no way to live.
Feisty,
Forgetting history is foolish.
but then again, I never suggested you to be otherwise.
'The struggle of people against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting.'
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Okay, maybe Israel is situated by some water. It's still a far cry from the plush lands we live in and that is what that comparison was all about.
Why would I support the USA? Perhaps because they're trying to rid the world of terorists like Hezbollah? It makes for strange bedfellows now and then but that can't be helped.
"If America has shown me how free people can live, then incarcerate me now because that is no way to live." You'd rather live under a dictatorship like Hezbollah. I feel sorry for you. I didn't realize you were that nuts.Thank God not all Aussies are as feeble minded as you seem to be.
How stupid are you? I never forget anything. You never answered my question. Here's another two, how long did you live in France? How long in England? Did you live in France first? What did they do for you that was so wonderful, other than melt your little mind? Maybe the English tried to help you find it again.
America may have been behind Canada and Australia before they joined both WW1 and WW2 but by god, better late than never. Can you speak Lebanese? You better learn quick, if it's left to the likes of you we will all be speaking it. Sort of like the French would be speaking German today if not for the Americans.
I have a nephew in the American Air Force. He lost his father, my younger brother, a few years ago. My husband and I went to the funeral. My father flew over from England to attend. You want to know what the last Hymn they sang was? Well, I'm going to tell you. It was God Save the Queen. There was not a dry eye in the Church. I know the Lebanese, Iraqis, Iranis or Syrians would NOT have paid respect like that. We've seen the pictures on news reports of the way they treat downed combatants. Quite a difference from the way the Americans treat their enemies. And don't give me the Guantanamo Bay BS. Humiliation of prisoners is a far cry from torture and I don't recall the Americans beheading any of the inmates there.
My father carried the Union flag and the American Air Force carried the American flag. Yes, that's what it is called THE UNION FLAG not the Union Jack. It's only called the Union Jack when on board ship. I also have a son in the Royal Air Force. Whether you like it or not they are fighting for your freedom of speech. Go back to Lebanon or wherever you're from and try to have your say there. You wouldn't last 2 minutes.
Don't you dare call me stupid. Have you survived a terrorist bomb? I don't suppose you have. I have. Think back to the IRA.
By the way, what language would you like me to post this in?
I can speak a fair few.
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Sie sind nichts aber ein australischer Zigeuner
For those of you who are determined to bash America, go ahead. In fact, why do you even want to live in a free country? Please, go back to where you'll be much happier. Iran, Lebannon and the rest of the Middle East are much more suited to what you like, after all. They kill innocents, enslave entire populations with their twisted version of "religion" and would kill you in a heart beat for having an opinion, much less voicing it.
The riots in France were, as I understand it, caused by the misery that young Muslims were "forced" to live in. Sorry, nobody was forcing them to live there. They could have returned to the "peace, prosperity and bliss" of any Islamic state. And they should have been returned to such a place, had the French government grown a pair and stood for something (for a change!)
The free countries will always have to deal with imbiciles who hate the very freedoms used to bash. It only proves that "diversity" is a mistake and that assimilation actually works for the greater good of all concerned. When you move to a new country, become part of it. Don't try to tear it down.
For those of you who don't like Bush, here's a little food for thought. What do you suppose would have happened if Kerry or Gore (or Clinton for that matter) had been president on 9/11? Think about it! Clinton would have called Monica into the oval Office for a "consultation" and cried for the cameras later. He might have made a little noise, but he's have done nothing to stop the terrorists. Kerry would have changed his mind a dozen times about what to do and accomplished nothing until the next attack (when the French side of him would have negotiated a surrender). Gore would still be trying to decide what to do that would be "environmentally friendly." At least George W. Bush faced the facts, didn't kiss any terrorist ass, fought back and rose to the challenge. We haven't been attacked again, have we?
One last point here, before I get so angry I blow a gasket. When there's a disaster or calamity anywhere in the world, it's the free countries who come to the rescue. When people are enslaved, it's the free countries who fight to free others. Can anyone name even one time the Muslim countries have done ANYTHING to help anyone? They kill their own citizens for crap sakes! And except for a brief stint during the Revolutionary War, can anyone name even one time the French stood up to be counted for anything? To those of you who don't like freedom... "Get the bloody hell out!" go live under Shariah Law and enjoy it. Learn to build bombs and blow yourselves up. But stop biting the hand of freedom when it's the only protection you have!
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You know an argument has no withstanding the moment someone resorts to personal insults and claims of ‘go back to this country'. Especially when the person being attacked has never even stepped foot in aforementioned country.
Seeing as pretty much all of your posts have a common occurrence of this display of cowardice, I’d say you’re feeling pretty foolish right now. Be the macho bravado American that you claim to be and refute all my claims. But of course you can't. Denial will only take you so far.
I can't take these posts seriously until I see some sort of legitimate rebuttal. You are asking me about my personal life so that you can find flaw in my argument which can only mean that the argument already presented to you is flawless.
Sheree, is the sky blue in your world?
Why yes, yes it is!
Does this revelation shed light on my geographic location or do they not teach the subject Geography well in American high schools? (in addition to history of course but that goes without saying)
I read your piece.
It tells me nothing and proves nothing. But effort to you man, for trying.
Post it in German Feisty.
It might make more sense in the language used by the greatest Propaganda artist of all time.
They also said back in the early 1800s that if we don’t do something about the ‘yellow peril’ then we’ll all be speaking Chinese too.
How does it feel to not have progressed one inch forward since the early 1800s?
I noticed you wrote ‘BS’ instead of ‘PS’. I’ll assume it’s a Freudian slip, given BS usually stands for bullshit and how apt is it in this case!
‘Go back to Lebanon or wherever you're from and try to have your say there. You wouldn't last 2 minutes’
Why not? Lebanon is a democracy, people vote like any other country, protest, write articles against leaders, are educated, most are tri-lingual, hospitable and tolerant people. I'm pretty sure you're just fusing all the various countries in the middle east together in your head right now and then jumping a few metres to a conclusion because your ignorance of the Middle East is astounding.
There is nothing wrong with Lebanon except that it has been the target of State Sanctified Terrorism. i.e. terrorism sanctified by Israel and the United States.
Walk outside of your little hole, open your eyes and look around you. You’ll find you still won’t see anything because that large cloth placed over your eyes is obstructing the view. Consider having it removed.
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I have a nephew in the American Air Force. He lost his father, my younger brother, a few years ago. My husband and I went to the funeral. My father flew over from England to attend.
No I find that incredibly tragic and my condolences go out to you.
Death is a tragedy no matter which side is at a loss and if I'm against war for any reason it's this one.
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"You are asking me about my personal life so that you can find flaw in my argument which can only mean that the argument already presented to you is flawless." Hardly. You don't make an intelligent argument to begin with, so how could it possibly be flawless?
"I read your piece. It tells me nothing and proves nothing. But effort to you man, for trying." There are none so blind as those who not see. Did you happen to read the part about fair trials, beheadings and suicide-murderers? That's not Americans doing that.
"Lebanon is a democracy, people vote like any other country, protest, write articles against leaders, are educated, most are tri-lingual, hospitable and tolerant people." And the Lebanese are democratic because of the French? I don't think so.
"I noticed you wrote ‘BS’ instead of ‘PS’. I’ll assume it’s a Freudian slip, given BS usually stands for bullshit and how apt is it in this case!" No Freudian slip there. BS means BS. Your buddy Ahmed also thinks Guantanamo Bay is a hell hole of torture. This has been disproved time and time again. People like you and him refuse to admit the truth, so that line was thrown in to 'cut you off at the pass'.
"You know an argument has no withstanding the moment someone resorts to personal insults . Walk outside of your little hole, open your eyes and look around you. You’ll find you still won’t see anything because that large cloth placed over your eyes is obstructing the view. Consider having it removed." Who's getting personal now?
"Be the macho bravado American that you claim to be and refute all my claims. Does this revelation shed light on my geographic location or do they not teach the subject Geography well in American high schools?" Apparently better than they do in the Land of Oz. Didn't you notice the flag beside my comments or the one at the top of the article? I guess you only recognize a flag from Lebanon or France. That makes it hard for me to believe your sky really is blue.
"I'm pretty sure you're just fusing all the various countries in the middle east together in your head right now and then jumping a few metres to a conclusion because your ignorance of the Middle East is astounding." Again, rather personal but like they say, if it walks like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist and blows itself up like a terrorist....................
The Americans didn't make these people up. they come from the mid East for the most part so don't be pissed off when you you all get painted with the same brush. You've done nothing to show the world you don't support terrorism and we're supposed to be so understanding that we turn a blind eye to it? The pendelum is swinging back. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Maybe your French buddies can help you find the way.
Where and when did I say my brother died in a war? I said my Father carried the Union Flag and the American Air Force carried the Stars and Stripes out of respect. I suppose you're opposed to war because he died of a heart attack while driving his truck? Youranter is right. You people have to learn how to read. Your ignorance is showing through, Sheree. Maybe if you go back to France they will direct you back England where you can get a proper education. I'm sure Lebanon would be happy to pay your airfare. By the way, why can't you answer any of my questions? Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot. Those who can't debate try to change the subject and ignore what is asked of them. Typical. Have a good time with Ahmed. He's as dense as you are and tries the same tricks.
is talking out of your ass the only way you've been taught to communicate?
Just curious...
Do you actually think anyone is even going to consider taking your obnoxious, insulting, slandering comments seriously, when all you seem to be doing is attacking Ranter and the people who are commenting here....?
And I wonder what you would do if your country came under attack and US or Canada refused to help...
Try calling the French, I'm sure they could help by sending you a shitload of croissants, wine and perfume...
And you say you're not racist??? Good God woman, you're the epitomy of a bigot! Not only that, you have no clue about the history of ANY country under discussion here...
Perhaps if you went back to school and learned to do something other than chew gum and file your nails, you may actually end up knowing what the Canadian flag actually looks like...
Here's a hint: Can we say "maple leaf" boys and girls...?
Oh I forgot, you'll probably think a maple tree is a race not a religion, sorry about that...I seem to have momentraily forgot your stupidity...
It won't happen again, I promise...
please don't trouble yourself with someone who is "de-evolving"
When she climbs back down from the tree and starts to walk upright again, call me, it'll be a red letter day!
By the way, here's a little something for you in German Sheree...
versuchen, deinen Kopf aus deinem Esel heraus zu nehmen und erlernen, wie eine Person anstelle von einem Schwein zu fungieren…kann du dieses verstehen!?
Now Sheree, try deciphering what I just typed, and ask yourself again, how educated are you?!
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At least George W. Bush faced the facts, didn't kiss any terrorist ass, fought back and rose to the challenge.
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So basically you're upset because the French don't like America. So what? Why is this such a big deal? Why does the most powerful country in the world care what the French have to say? Because they don't like American cuisine and disagree regarding the war?
Admittedly I haven't seen this program you're talking about, all I can go on is what you say about it. I hope this doesn't turn into a slanging match between you and me. You and I have managed to disagree in the past without getting nasty.
While they (Brits and Poles) may not agree with the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, they certainly do appreciate fast food, American know-how when it comes to building cars, American television and the protection America offers its allies against enemies both foreign and domestic. In other words, they know which side of the bread their butter is on and afford the USA the respect it deserves.
You mentioned in your comment to Kylie:
You also said:
The difference between the British and Polish points of view vs those of the French are astounding and let's face it, the US saved every one of those countries.
All by themselves? No-one else was fighting in WWII? The Battle of Normandy wasn't an Allied effort? Including Free French Forces?
The other common theme throughout the comments above is that America has helped a whole bunch of countries. In respect to wars? (Personally I disagree with war in general. The cost far outweighs any "good".)
Because Australians and other nations were at WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War I & II, Afghanistan. So America didn't do it all on its own. But this is how it's coming across. Respect is a two way street.
This is how it seems to me about this whole anti- american debate. Again, not trying to pick a fight.
It comes across that Americans will not tolerate any criticism of America.
And if I happen to criticise the US government and the war then I should become muslim. Doesn't it seems a little ridiculous and absolute and extreme? And the word muslim gets thrown like a dirty word? Do you really believe that all muslims are terrorists?
You guys have every right to answer criticisms, just like people have the right to make them.
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I translated it, Lmao.
I'm sending you a big hug.
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The article was about the polar difference between the way the French treat those who rescued them vs other countries who found themselves in the same position. Italy comes to mind. No, no one expects eternal gratitude to the Americans for what they did. And they don't expect it either. But when you trash a country just because you think your wine and cheese is better than theirs, that's a bit much. You'd think the French were being force-fed McDonalds the way they carried on in this program. Even Americans disparage their own country, but they certainly know what they stand for and what they represent to the world in general.
Criticize the USA all you want. I've done it. I have American readers who have done it. But what escapes most people is that even if America is building an empire, they can only compare it to the communist regimes of old or today's dictatorial regimes in countries that show no respect for the rights and/or freedoms of their citizens. Which would you rather have? An American presence in say the Phillipines were they are there as basic observers, and quell trouble before it happens, or another major war in 10 years time to stem violence, such as that going on in Iraq today?
Perhaps the States do go into countries and wage wars that are increasingly unpopular. However, they do not leave that country in a shambles. They will stay until a threat is totally annihilated and then help rebuilld the infrastructure of the country to give the people a better life. It is hard to imagine going somewhere and not leaving some type of footprint behind. The Americans leave the footprint of democracy. Is that such a bad thing?
I'm sorry you got the idea that I was saying the Yanks did it all by themselves. I can see how you might come to that conclusion, but all I was saying was that where other countries still show gratitude after all these years, the French seemed content to sit on their hands during the wars and think salvation was somehow owed to them.
Our vets still regularly visit the Netherlands and the Dutch can't seem to do enough for them. The French would spit on the Americans in a heartbeat.
You don't have to be Muslim to criticize the USA. They have detractors worldwide, and it seems most of them come from behind their own borders. The reference to Muslims was to make the point that while other nationalities, religions, races, creeds and colours are all welcomed by the USA, Canada and Britian, the immigrants try to assimilate into society at large and get along with everyone. I don't care where you came from, what religion you subscribe to, or what colour your skin happens to be. And I truly believe most North Americans feel the same way. The Muslim's however seem to want to bring their old world beliefs with them and make us honour them. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
I see no animosty between us on this issue. I see intelligent debate which has been sadly lacking of late. Any and all comments you make, whether for me or against me, will always be welcomed.
Thank you for your refreshing point of view.
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As always, I appreciate your comments. Thank you again.
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It is possible to disagree without getting nasty. I've had a few debates with youranter and they have never been reduced to name calling rubbish. Just two people with different ideas bouncing them off each other.
Hi youranter,
Sure, having 'fresh' legs come into the war definitely helps but that's not the only reason the tide turned in favour of the Allies. Hitler did decide to fight on two fronts, spreading his forces thin. He also underestimated the Russian winter and his soldiers were ill prepared. So whereas Russian army probably on paper wasn't as strong as the German, the Russians knew their land and knew how to survive their winter. As stupid as it sounds, snow got the better of the Germans.
There is a myriad of reasons the Allies won the war. American help being one of them.
I don't know, I'm just speculating here why the French don't like Americans.
Perhaps the States do go into countries and wage wars that are increasingly unpopular. However, they do not leave that country in a shambles.
I watched a doco a few weeks back (I think it may have been British...can't be too sure) but in it, it said that the North Vietnamese didn't want to take over the whole Asian region, they just wanted the Americans out of Vietnam. The US government told Australians that they need to get involved in this war because if the North Vietnamese get control then there will be a domino affect and Australia will become a communist state. I wasn't around in the 60's but I've done a lot of reading on Australian society at the time and the domino theory sounds like a whole lot of hog wash. But that's what the Australian and US government fed the people.
America and Australia were there for over 10 years and the country still became a communist state and that's where it ended. There was no domino theory.
I also saw another doco a couple of years back saying that they are still finding landmines, unexploded bombs in the land in Vietnam. Little kids are stepping on them. So there is still fallout from the war, even 30 years on.
I put it to you that America didn't go into Vietnam to help the little people but to put their money where their mouth is regarding communism and how they want to stamp it out....again...is that another discussion?
The problem with being the most powerful country in the world is that people are going to look at you more closely and criticise you more....part of the job description I suppose. There are some people who are going to reject American culture, politics etc.
And let's not forget that documentary makers can slant things so maybe if you asked every French person what they thought of America maybe it would show that France do like the US. Just a thought.
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Yes film makers can put any slant they want on their films. This one was done by PBS and I've found them pretty fair in the past. The Poles and Brits they interviewed didn't all agree with the USA either, but the French stood out in their hatred toward the Yanks. That's what I found astonishing and what I tried to get across in this post.
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I read an article in a Sydney newspaper the other day saying that it's time the French and the US start seeing about getting on with each other.
It says that this rift between the two countries isn't helping either country.
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The current reincarnation of sushi, for one. Or pizza.
But if you go to individual states and enjoy the real cuisine, well, it's something else. I was in Maryland and loved the seafood. Or BBQ in the south? It's legendary!
Man, I'm hungry...
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I had my first raw seafood in Boston, been to Benihana's in Miami and enjoyed every minute of it. And morsel too. No, Cibbuano, America is not Micky D's or KFC. If one takes two minutes out of their busy day, they will find restaurants and food that make you want to come back. My wife and I both have relatives in the States and we certainly don't go to Taco Bell for their haute cuisune. We'll find a real restaurant and sit back and luxuriate. Nothing beats a good meal with fine wine and true friends.